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been the sole criteria for certifying as an expert before the courts of the state of Tennessee.  I don't know where counsel gets that as a criteria.  I don't believe that's the test and I don't believe it's the basis for basic criteria.  He practices pediatric gastroenterology.  He has 17 years.  We can go through all --

THE COURT: Go ahead and ask him the questions.  Ms. Luster, with the time left you can ask on cross, I don't know what records he's reviewed, don't know what information he's had.  We very carefully went through that with Dr. Polk, so go ahead with your questions, which is whether I think he believes this mother has that diagnosis.  Is that correct?  Is that the question.

MR. FRIEDMAN: I asked if he ever considered --

THE COURT: Did you ever consider that diagnosis for Mrs. Patrick?

THE WITNESS: Yes, ma'am.

THE COURT: Did you decide that was the case or not?  

THE WITNESS: I decided against it.

THE COURT: And why was that?

THE WITNESS: Because I had inaccurate records which led me to that diagnosis, and once I got adequate and appropriate information, then I did not feel that I need to entertain the possibility of Munchausen's by Proxy.

DIRECT EXAMINATION RESUMED

QUESTIONS BY MR. FRIEDMAN:

Q.      Tell the Court about the inaccurate records that you're referring to that led you to initially consider whether this woman had this syndrome?

A.      I received a child who had severe diarrhea.  In the previous hospital the work-up which was done had excluded infectious causes.  In the previous hospital an endoscopy done also showed apparently that the intestinal lining was intact.  Under those circumstances, it was very difficult for me to explain why the child is having ongoing, severe diarrhea.  So the possibilities at that stage were does he have any hormonal problems, any endocrine problems leading to diarrhea or is Munchausen's by Proxy an issue. We did look at endocrine problems and did not find any.  We did look at the stool for laxatives and did not find any.  At that stage, I had to reconsider the fact that the information provided to us by the previous hospital may not be accurate.  So I had to re-perform the endoscopy.

Q.          Explain what endoscopy is.

A.  Endoscopy is when you take a flexible lighted tube and go down the child's mouth all through the gastrostomy site and go into the small intestine and take biopsies, take a look and take biopsies.

Q.          Explain what the medical records that you had originally been provided on this child said in regard to the findings of a previous -- or the previous endoscopy.

A.          They said that the esophagus, which is the food tube, the  stomach and the first part of the duodenum were normal.

MS. LUSTER: Your Honor, if I can just

clarify which medical records he's referring to.

MR. FRIEDMAN: I was about to do that. 

BY MR.  FRIEDMAN:

Q.          What records were you -- did you refer to all the records that Dr. Polk said he referred to?  Did you look through those, the medical records?

A.          Most of them.

Q.          I didn't hear.  

A.          Most of them.

Q.          Which record in particular --

A.          From LeBonheur.

Q.          What was it that LeBonheur said?

A.          They said that the biopsies of the esophagus, which is the food tube, the stomach and the duodenum were normal.

Q.          What did you find, sir?

A.          What I found was that beyond the second part of duodenum there was complete denudation of the lining of the intestine.

Q.          What does that mean?

A.          That means that he had no intestinal lining.

Q.          And what effect does that have on the results of the tests you had done previous to that?

A.          That gave me a reason why the child was having diarrhea so severe and that fit in nicely with the clinical impression and the other investigations, so at that stage I felt Munchausen's by Proxy was not something to be entertained.

Q.          You have reviewed each and every record of this youngster  since he was taken at 6:00 p.m. on September the 6th, 1996, by Dr. Polk and by the Department of Human Services.  Is that correct?

A.          I have reviewed records.  I don't know if they are the complete records.

Q.          Do they presume -- do they appear to be records from the date of September 6th, 1996, through, I believe, yesterday?

A.          That is correct.

Q.          Today.  Excuse me, through today.  I'm sorry.  I'll pass you forward those paper documents if I may.  Please, sir, and I want you --

MR. FRIEDMAN: May I approach, Your

Honor?  May I approach the witness?

THE COURT: Certainly.

MR. FRIEDMAN: Thank you.

BY MR.  FRIEDMAN:

Q.          I want you to tell the Court, if you will, based upon your review of these records, if the child's medical condition has improved or worsened since Dr. Polk and DHS took this child from his mother on September 6th?

MS. LUSTER: Objection, Your Honor.. Unless he's reviewed all the Vanderbilt records prior to that, he's got no way of knowing what the condition was prior to September 6th, I don't think he has a basis to make that opinion.

THE COURT: I sustain that unless you can show that he has seen the other records.     

MR. FRIEDMAN: Your Honor please, I think I asked him on the limited period of time from the time that they took him has his condition improved or gotten worse.

THE COURT: I think the objection is there would be no way to know that if he had not reviewed the records prior to that time. 

BY MR.  FRIEDMAN:

Q.          Have you reviewed the previous records in regard to this child?

A.          I have had conversations with the treating physician, so I'm aware of what his clinical status was, but I have not reviewed the records.

Q.          They consulted with you in regard to this child prior to taking the child away from the mother.  Is that true?

A.          I don't know if consulted is the right word.  Yes, I have had several conversations.

Q.          With whom?

A.          With Dr. Barnard and Dr. Crissinger.

THE COURT: Dr. who?

THE WITNESS: Dr. Crissinger and Dr. Hummell and someone else from immunology.

BY MR.  FRIEDMAN:

Q.          I'll ask you if based on your conversations with those physicians who contacted you discussing the present condition of young Mr. Patrick, and based upon your observations of the medical records, has this child improved, worsened or stayed the same since he was taken by the Department of Human Services and Dr. Polk?

A.          I think in some aspects he has deteriorated.  Specifically, he was never intubated, he was never on a respirator, and now he's on a respirator.  His diarrhea, as per the records, he's still having 12 to 13 stools a day which are loose and copious, leading to a fluid imbalance.  He is still having trouble with maintaining hydration status, and he is either getting dehydrated which needs aggressive fluid management which is being done or he's getting overhydrated which is leading to compromise of his respiratory status, which is, again, being dealt with appropriately.

Q.          Let me ask you this, sir.  In regard to -you heard Dr. Polk talk about the investigation he had made into organisms that had been grown and his statement about how he believes that that supports his diagnosis of Munchausen's Syndrome by Proxy, did you not?

A.          Yes, I did hear.

Q.          Would you explain to the Court, please, sir, in regard to those particular gross, why -- first of all, is it your opinion that those assist in this Court, or any court, considering a diagnosis of Munchausen's Syndrome by Proxy?

A.          Only if someone can show me evidence that they saw someone actually injecting them into the central line.

Q.          How else could they have gotten -- could this child have gotten this infection based upon your medical experience?  Is there another explanation?

A.          There is.

Q.          What is it?

A.          When a child has diarrhea, it's extremely, extremely difficult to maintain a hundred percent sterility of the central line.  It's a known fact that kids with explosive diarrhea will have very often contamination of the central line at some stage.

Q.          If there was a contamination -- is it a reasonable medical opinion that contamination described by Dr. Polk could have originated from the diarrhea that this child was experiencing based on the medical records?

A.          That is correct.

Q.          Is that, at least in your opinion, as reasonable a conclusion, based upon medical certainty, as that someone, in particular the mother, somehow inserted foreign substances or fecal matter into the central tube?

A.          That is correct.  

Q.          Let me ask you this in regard to attempting

to confirm the  exact type of organism in the stool and correlate that  with the organism in the blood.  Would that be something a  doctor should do in considering the testimony of Dr. Polk?  And, if so, why?

A.  The purpose of doing such a test would be to show that the organisms in the blood are identical to the organisms in the stool.

Q.  Could that be accomplished by serotyping or DNA fingerprinting techniques?

A.  Yes.

Q.  Are those readily available?

A.  Not readily available, but you can get them done.

Q.  Is that something that -- well, I don't think that's a proper question.  Let me ask you this.  You heard the doctor say another big thing that he saw and observed was this chromium level of the child.  Did you hear him say that?

A.  Yes.

Q.  Would you explain to me about whether the TPN had any chromium.  He said the TPN did have chromium.  Would you explain what that means for this record?  What does that mean?

A.          What exactly?  

Q. What is TPN and why would it have chromium in it?

A. Chromium is an essential element which is an integral part of total parenteral nutrition, and it is also a contaminant in total parenteral nutrition, and extremely difficult to exclude that from TPN solutions.  And, in addition, we do add chromium to the TPN to make it more wholesome.  The level of chromium will increase if there is liver damage or any liver disease.  It becomes extremely difficult to correlate chromium toxicity from the urine sample in a child who's acutely ill who is on chromium in the TPN.  It becomes very difficult to make that judgment.

Q.          And without knowing the blood chromium level, you couldn't judge, based on toxicological guidelines, whether there was chromium toxicity.  Is that correct?

A.          I'm not aware of what the exact diagnostic guidelines are for chromium toxicity.  But one of the things I would certainly would like to check is what exactly was the chromium level in the TPN.  It is possible the pharmacy could have accidentally put in extra chromium.

Q.          That's not unusual?

A.          That is not unusual.

Q.          That certainly is a reasonable medical possibility other than the mother did something to inject chromium in the child.  Is that true?

A.          That is possible.

Q.          Let me ask you this so that we have a picture of this lady who you said spent almost every day with you for three months.  Was this lady docile, quiet, as Dr. Polk said he saw and observed?

MS. LUSTER: Objection.  That's not -

THE COURT: Sustained.  I never heard Dr. Polk say she was docile and quiet.

MR. FRIEDMAN: Let me try again.

BY MR.  FRIEDMAN:

Q.  Describe Ms. Patrick's approach to interact to treatment of her child -- her son as you saw and observed and experienced, of course, during your course of treatment of him this year.

MS. LUSTER: Your Honor, I think we've got to kind of limit that to the circumstances.  I know Dr. Polk discussed her appearance when he said your child is gravely ill.  Other than that --

THE COURT: I'm not sure her approach to getting treatment for her son -- I think with the letters and everything else was aggressive and -- I mean, if there's something else, Doctor, tell me what her approach was.

THE WITNESS: I think she's a very demanding mom.  She is not just happy with good quality care.  She constantly gives you the impression that there is something more which can be done for the child and she's constantly pushing the medical system to seek more answers.  And I did encourage that to the point that I offered her free access to the library and instructed the librarian to let her Xerox whatever material she wanted at my business expense.  I gave her two textbooks of pediatric gastroenterology and nutrition in her room so she would not leave the child's bedside to read, and I also offered that I would give her a free modem for Medline search if she so desired, and she declined that.

THE COURT: Why did Phillip leave the hospital, your clinic?

THE WITNESS: He was sick but stable and mom really wanted to go home.  She felt the best place for him was at home because she has three other children.  And she struggled with me for three weeks and I delayed the discharge by three weeks until I was not completely, completely satisfied that he is sick but stable and that he could be managed at home.  And I wanted to be comfortable that the mom is capable of providing care at the home level with home health nursing.

THE COURT: And did you discharge him to her home?

THE WITNESS: That is correct.

THE COURT: And are you aware if that's what occurred?

THE WITNESS: That is correct.

THE COURT: And how long did that go on, if you know?

THE WITNESS: A few days.  THE COURT: Two?

THE  WITNESS: Maybe three days.

THE  COURT: Three days?

THE  WITNESS: Yes.

THE  COURT: And then what happened?

THE  WITNESS: And then the mother called me and said that he had some respiratory distress so I referred her to the pediatrician who felt the child may have pneumonia.  And subsequently they treated him and then he was -- mom was not really comfortable with the care in Memphis, so she called me again and she felt that the best place for her child would be Vanderbilt since it was close and they planned to move to Nashville, and if I could facilitate.  So I called Dr. Barnard and requested him to accept the child, and Dr. Barnard kindly consented to take care of the child.

THE COURT: Thank you, Doctor.  I wanted to get that straight in my mind.  I had not been sure who had been treating this children when.  Do you have any other questions?

MR. FRIEDMAN: I do.

THE COURT: Well, we're going to adjourn.  We will start back at nine in the morning.  Counsel can consult as to how you want to proceed.

(WHEREUPON, Court was adjourned at this time.)  

THE COURT: Are we ready to start?  We were in the middle of two doctors' testimonies.

MR. FRIEDMAN: Yes, Your Honor.  May I,, please the Court --

THE COURT: Yes, sir,

MR. FRIEDMAN: I don't know if Your Honor's court officer advised her, after we concluded yesterday, while we were still in Your Honor's courtroom, Dr. Khoshoo, the witness who was testifying advised me when the Court respited this case until this morning that he could not remain here to testify, that he had a number of matters, one of which he advised was an emergency matter that he had to return to New Orleans for.  I advised counsel and I also asked Your Honor's court officer if I could address the Court on that when he advised me that was the situation.  Your Honor had apparently exited the building, we were advised by Your Honor's court officer.  This was approximately, I suppose, five minutes after we had concluded --

THE COURT: I had left the courtroom.  

MR. FRIEDMAN: Yes, ma'am.  I tell the Court this most respectfully.  In an abundance of precaution, (a) I did advise opposing counsel there was little we could do, I did also serve -- this doctor was appearing pursuant to a subpoena that we had sent down there which probably didn't have the ability to compel him before this Court, but he appeared -- based on that he appeared without fee.  The only concession or consideration which was paid was air transportation which, in fact, my clients were able to do.

In an abundance of precaution so that I could look Your Honor in the eye and so that my client could, we did issue a second subpoena here in the courthouse for Dr. Khoshoo because I had to advise him because I could not release him from this Court, He was in the process of testifying and he appeared before the Court, and I might tell the Court I don't know if that subpoena has reached the jacket because the jacket was still apparently up here in the courtroom when we went down to the clerk's office. But I do have a copy of it --

THE COURT: I don't believe I have any jurisdiction whatsoever, that I'm aware of, to do anything about an out-of-state witness.  And I am not unsympathetic, but I also said at the beginning of this case that these are the timetables.  He could have gone first.  I cautioned everyone all throughout yesterday afternoon that I had to leave at 4:00, and that's what I did.  And, actually we went to eight minutes after four, So you can call another witness, you can take a deposition, we can adjourn this preliminary hearing so that you can call another expert, I'm willing to do whatever you want to do, I have no jurisdiction that I'm aware of to do anything with Dr. Khoshoo.

MR. FRIEDMAN:      I don't take exception, I might tell you that Dr. Khoshoo did fax back to my client last night from New Orleans a fax saying -- and I'll be glad to share this with counsel, this fax from the Kinko=s on Causeway Boulevard in New Orleans that he had to leave Nashville today and fly to New Orleans to attend to unavoidable patient care related to engagements, more importantly, to attend my sick inpatients and one critically ill child, He says he could be available to complete his testimony, he says, Thursday, September 26, 1996, And I understand that the doctor doesn't have a right to set this Court's time schedule and I want the record to reflect the Court -- I was not here when the Court set the parameters of this hearing, I was not of record or not part of the --

THE COURT:      Oh, don't even start that.  Your co-counsel was here.

MR. FRIEDMAN:      But I was about to say that my co-counsel advised me, I knew what Your Honor had said.  No. I'm not trying to challenge what the Court said, I wanted the Court to know that we, on behalf of our client, and our client made every effort to keep this physician here, and I felt that I owed that responsibility as an officer of the court and also to counsel and my client, I was not challenging what the Court said nor challenging the way the Court's conducting its docket.  We were under that understanding and my co-counsel made me aware of that.

Your Honor please, as to seeking a continuance, if Your Honor would indulge me for a moment, all I can advise my clients last night and this morning is the Court had a number of options that it considered.  Under this unusual predicament, I did not predict what Your Honor might consider doing.  If Your Honor will indulge me for about two minutes, I'll give the Court an answer.  I'd like to consult with my clients,

THE COURT: Well, there are several things that everyone needs to be aware of.  From the beginning, the two lawyers that have been involved for the parents, and I trust and I'm very confident, that the lawyer that represented the three lawyers at the hearing was well aware of all the possibilities in this case.  We set a very early hearing for the trial, October the 22nd and 24th, Is that correct?

MR. HIRSH:      It was the 23rd, Your Honor.

THE COURT: There may be many doctors.  I don't know what you'll decide to do about that, But there is ample time.  We'll have a pre-trial conference that we are going to end up this morning, You are absolutely entitled to a preliminary hearing, which I have given you, I believe, every opportunity to present whoever you want to present, whether it's a local doctor that's available, Your clients can testify today.  What I would like to do is go on.  I think Dr. Polk is here, I want for you to con -if you have any other cross of Dr. Polk, and Ms, Miller to be able to finish if we need to do that.  You know, for the purpose of a preliminary hearing, if we need to do that, I want everyone to have an opportunity to do it, If you plan to present your clients or any other witnesses that are here, I want you to have an opportunity to do that,

MR. FRIEDMAN:      Your Honor please, I have no problem with that, I do have a few further questions for Dr. Polk, and I think what -- I don't think there's any reason for me to talk to my clients about if they want to continue this based on what Your Honor has said.

THE COURT: I would like to complete the preliminary hearing, but I'm also very willing to adjourn if you need to get some other witnesses here.  If you want Dr. Khoshoo to come back on, what, September the 26th, you know, we can do that if you think that is helpful and that's going to provide any light on the reasonable belief standard that I use in a preliminary hearing.  I have cases scheduled, I could see if I could get a special, I want them to have a preliminary hearing, I think my concern is that they understand that this has been set very quickly for trial and that we will have a full trial where we hear everything.

At this point, having heard Dr. Polk's testimony, before you finish the cross, before I've heard from the guardian ad litem, I believe the State has carried their burden, but I'm very willing, obviously, to hear whatever you want to offer in opposition to that, I've heard Dr. Khoshoo's testimony, Although you did not finish, I'm assuming you asked him the most important things first, which I have heard.  And, again, you can call someone else if you want to do that. So why don't we -- Dr. Polk's here.

Let's finish that and then talk again.

MR. FRIEDMAN: Very well.

THE COURT: Dr. Polk, thank you for rearranging your schedule.

MR. FRIEDMAN: Thank you, Your Honor.

 

DAVID BRENT POLK, M.D.

was recalled as a witness, and after having been previously sworn, continued to testify as follows:

CONTINUING CROSS-EXAMINATION

QUESTIONS BY MR.  FRIEDMAN:

Q.   Dr. Polk, I have just a few more questions for you in regard to this matter.  I believe that you advised us yesterday that no one, no medical personnel, no doctor, to the best of your knowledge based on your review of the records, had made any accusations concerning Munchausen's Syndrome by Proxy concerning Ms, Patrick or any of the Patricks prior to your consideration and your diagnosis, Is that what you said?  

A.         Yes, according to my reading of the record,

Q.   You have reviewed all those records that you had available --

A.    Yes,

Q. -- as you described.  And please, sir, you said that one of the things that concerned you, I believe, was that Ms, Patrick said something about an accusation of Munchausen which you found not to be correct from the medical records; that somebody had accused her of Munchausen, excuse me.

A.    on nine separate occasions, she informed -medical personnel documented that she had been accused by all three facilities that she'd previously been accused of Munchausen's by Proxy Syndrome.

Q.   But, in fact, to the best of your knowledge, information and belief, none of the medical personnel, nursing staff, technicians, anything else at any of the other three hospitals had ever made such an accusation, and that bothered you?

A.    Yes.

Q.   Now, let me also be certain I understand. You first came     to meet Ms, Patrick on what date?  What was the first date you ever came to meet her in regard to this case, I don't presume you ever met her before,

A.    I'll have to look at a calendar.  

Q.       Would you do so?

A.      I was on call, as I indicated in my testimony yesterday, on the 23rd and 24th and 25th of August of     1996.

Q.   Yes, sir.

A.    And that was when I had occasion to meet her.

Q.   Did you meet her on each of those dates, sir?

A.    On the 23rd and 24th, Saturday and Sunday. Actually, I did not see her on Sunday, I only saw her on Saturday.

Q.   You met her on one date, the 24th, Is that now correct?  I'm not trying to put words --

A.    Saturday.

THE COURT: Saturday was on the 24th.

MR. FRIEDMAN: Thank you,

BY MR.  FRIEDMAN:

Q.   How long did you spend with Ms. Patrick on the 24th?

A.    On that date, 30 minutes,

Q.   Thirty minutes. Was anyone else present with you other than yourself and Ms, Patrick?

A.   Dr. Acra, who is a pediatric gastroenterology Fellow and the nurse.  

Q.   Do you know the nurse's name, by any chance?

A.    No, I do not.

Q.   At that time, did you render any care or treatment to her son?

A.    I'll have to look at the record.

Q.   Can you do so, sir?

A.    Yes.  My purpose in being on call was to make sure there had been no significant changes in him over the weekend,

THE COURT: Doctor, while you are looking -- I may have just forgotten -- did you give me an admission date?  Do you have that in your record?

THE WITNESS: July the lst of 1996.

THE COURT: He came to Vanderbilt on July the 1st, but this is your first time to have provided him with any care or had met his mother, Is that correct?

THE WITNESS: Yes.

THE COURT: Was your group covering Phillip prior to that?

THE WITNESS: Yes.  From July the lst, they covered Phillip until the current -THE COURT: Was there a primary physician?  I don't know if that's how you work that.

THE WITNESS: The attending on service is the primary physician, so for the month of July it was Dr. John Barnard, The month of August it was Dr. Karen Crissinger, and then I came on in September,

THE COURT: Okay.  Thank you.

THE WITNESS: On August the 24th there was a bacterial organism culture, That was the first indication that we had the blood infection, and he was started on Ampicillin at that time for the assumption of the treatment of leuconostoc, the bacterial organism which he was growing.  So, yes, I did institute therapy.

THE COURT: Doctor, what date?  I'm sorry,

THE WITNESS: August the 24th of 1996,

THE COURT: Thank you,

BY MR. FRIEDMAN:

Q.   And that would have been the first day you would have seen the child?

A.        Yes,

Q.   And I presume the order to start that substance was your order.  Is that correct? 

A.         No. it would not have been written by me, It was my recommendation, The orders are written by the house officers in the chart,

Q.   At that juncture, do you recall conducting any physical examination or visual examination of the child?

A.    Yes,.

Q.   And you had a conversation with the mother as well and the entirety of that was approximately 30 minutes?

A.    Yes.

Q.   When was the next time that you saw her?

A.    The next time I saw Mrs. Patrick was on Tuesday, the 3rd of September, the Tuesday after Labor Day.

Q.   Right, That was the second time you had seen Phillip or his mother; correct?

A.    Yes.

Q.   And how long did you spend on that occasion with Phillip and his mother?

A.    I spent over the course of the day more than two hours with Phillip, At that point, I spent with Ms. Patrick about 10 minutes.

Q.   Ten minutes with Ms, Patrick and about -- I presume an hour fifty, if my math is correct, with the child; correct?  

A.    Yes.  But the child was present when I was with Mrs. Patrick, So that would have been a two-hour -

Q.   So you -- the 10 minutes you spent with Ms. Patrick was in the room with the child?

A.   At the patient's bedside, yes.

Q.   I understand.  When was the next time that you spent time with Ms. Patrick, if you know?

A.    I'm not certain, It was either Wednesday or Thursday afternoon, the 4th or 5th of September,

Q.   Would your record --

A.    Yes, my record would reflect that.

Q.   Refer to your record so that we're accurate.

A.    (Witness complies,) That would have been September the 5th,

Q.    What time did that take place?

A.    I don't have the exact time documented, I have clinic in the morning on that day and so it would have been in the afternoon most likely.

Q.   You did not -- and, again, I'm not saying--

A.    I did not document the time that I spent with her,

Q.    You did not document or log in the time?

A.    No.

Q.    Approximately, to the best of your knowledge, not based on the records, how long did you spend on this date, I think you said the 5th, which was the third time you would have seen Ms, Patrick, how long did you spend with her to the best of your knowledge?

A.      About 20 minutes.

Q.   Was this also in the room with Phillip?

A.    Yes, at the bedside,

Q.   Was this part of the --

A.    This was the intensive care unit where I was seeing him.  It was not a private room and we could have been alone.

Q.   This was the intensive care unit.  Look on this date, this third date of the 5th when you spent approximately 20 minutes with Ms, Patrick, did you include in that physical observation a review or a check of the child?  Was that part of the 20 minutes?

A.    Yes -- no, I came back at a different time and examined him.

Q.   Came back at a different time for examination.  So you spent 20 minutes --

A.   At the bedside, I just held his hand, touched his abdomen, looked at him,

Q.   Let me ask you --

A.    And I did spend time with the medical record at the end of the bed.

Q.   If I can, I'd like to pass you forward a couple of pictures and ask you if you can identify them and in particular I want to talk to you about some things that are depicted if I may first pass these over to counsel.  Thank you,

MR. FRIEDMAN: I'll bring them back to the Court.  I didn't mean to pick apposing counsel first,

THE COURT: No. We just need a court officer.

MR. FRIEDMAN: These are pictures that were taken at Vanderbilt, Let me show them to you.  If I may approach the witness and hand him the pictures.

THE COURT: You may.

BY MR. FRIEDMAN:

Q.   If I may, let me pass you these pictures and ask you, first, if you can identify who that is.

A.    That's Phillip Patrick.

Q.   Can you identify that as being, as a matter of fact, in Vanderbilt Hospital?

A.    I can not.

Q.   I don't know if you can tell from the decor or not because there's not --

A.    There's not really anything visible for me to answer that question.  

Q.   Yes, sir.  Let me ask you this, if I may.  We talked yesterday briefly about various, I'll call them in lay terms, tubes that are being -- were being utilized or are being utilized for the care and treatment of this child, Are some of them depicted in those pictures?

A.    Yes, one of them is, The gastrostomy tube is clearly visible coming out of the side of his stomach.

Q.   All right, Let me do this, if I may.  Could you please, sir --

MR. FRIEDMAN: May I approach, Your Honor?

THE COURT: Yes.

MR. FRIEDMAN: Thank you.

THE COURT: Go ahead, please.

BY MR.  FRIEDMAN:

Q.   Would you please take this blue pen, and if you'll draw a pretty good line to show what is depicted as what you're saying is the gas -- what did you call it, a gas --

A.    Gastrostomy tube. This pen is not working.

Q.   Right. Let me try --

A.    Can I use mine?

Q.   Sure, if your pen works better, that'd be great.

A.    (Witness drawing on picture.)  

Q.   Now, that was one tube.  Could you state medically and physiologically, if you will, where that tube is located because our record will include the pictures but won't show --

A.    It's in his left mid-axillary line, which is a line, imaginary line, drawn from under the armpit down to the hip just below his rib cage, which is referred to as the costal margin is how I'd refer to it in medical terms,

Q.   In lay terminology, it's just above where his diaper is, isn't it?  Is that true?

A.    It looks about an inch and-a-half above where his diaper is.

Q.   Now, there was another tube that -- what's the purpose of that tube you just described?

A.    The purpose that it was originally placed, as best I can tell from the records, was that in order to maintain good calorie intake for this patient who had a failure to thrive or had not gained weight well at the time that he arrived at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia, they're used frequently for that purpose of maintaining calories and providing calories.

Q.      So you feed him, you feed the body through that tube, Is that true?